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fred no problem Mother Victoria Viera Piedad 01230-6-4 Dr. Paul DomingoTuesday, September 12, 2006
In a message dated 9/12/2006 7:16:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jftiongson@gmail.com writes:
Dear Paul,I would like to share to you and all in the list an inspiration i received this afternoon:There are several ways of communicating with the Supreme Being, the highest and the purest of them all is direct communications, the messages one receives thru earthly mediums are one of the lowest. Messages received thru direct communications with the Supreme Being are pure words of wisdom. Relaying the same messages to others here on earth without the improvement of one's own self is plain and simple lip-service. Passed-on message that a person heard from the medium is unfounded information. The highest form of spiritual message that you can impart to your fellowmen are your own words of wisdom. Inspirations from Mother, September 12, 2006 Paul,I agree with the comments below:"what we can do is to take out Mother's responses to specific personal questions." "huwag na nating ilagay yung concerning specific personalities. sabi nga ni fr. art, baka makatisod pa tayo...."Covering the names is a good start. Please send me the mechanics.As far as I am concerned, I do not believe in the purity of the messages. It has caused disunity then, and it is still causing disunity now. Already talked to Pabols, Chairman of Vivetri Foundation, he will contact you soon. He requested that I talk to Ariel Domingo (the heir of brookside and heir of the messages about the problem). Will get in touch with him soon. Bromokis wake up! Please communicate with her directly!
On 9/12/06, P Protiar < lhouqhann@yandex.ru> wrote:
Dear Jaime,I respect your drive and your sincerity. Let me give you what other Bromokis would like to express.
" As far as I am concern, it is better NOT to put the messages at all of Mother if it will be edited. I need not elaborate. What matters now is that we practice all the teachings of Mother...""... Mother's messages have meanings which are different from each person, depending on how one applies the messages to his or her life. There are messages which we thought do not mean anything but to others would mean an absolute answer to his or her difficulties. I do not agree that messages be edited. I would rather NOT include the whole message than edit the message. Nobody can edit the transcript (except of course for obvious typo errors) because the meaning might change. It will be a big job to get in touch with all the people mentioned in messages and ask each one whether it is fine with them to have the message published. But how about sorting and posting only those messages without names? Then we fail to get the essence of Mother's teachings. ...""...we all know that each of us interpret Mother's messages differently depending on the problem or the issue present at the time the message was given. the "originals" were luckier to have met Mother in the physical. they talked with her, travelled with her, ate with her, joked with her and they themselves say that Mother speak in parables. they sometimes also did not understand her. I then say that, that is Mother's enigma. I know i have read this or somebody must have said that - Whatever science cannot explain is a miracle and God's secret.
editing may somewhat change the meaning. even a change of a word, phrase, or even a punctuation mark will make a big difference. i fear editing the messages. probably what we can do is to take out Mother's responses to specific personal questions.
if i were to choose the messages, i will just have to PICK UP a message which will not antagonize other people. or those messages without mention of names. thats how we did it on our printed booklets during the Congresses in the past. huwag na nating ilagay yung concerning specific personalities. sabi nga ni fr. art, baka makatisod pa tayo...."I have other emails....with almost the same sentiments.I am really finding the middle ground. You have to believe me that i meant no harm nor praise anyone.Becuase we are all bromokis, or atleast we believe we are. As you know, i do this programming during my free time. sometimes, my wife is angry at me, becuase i spend more time with the computer at homem which i should be spending with her. Now is will have a baby soon....maybe sooner than expected. I mean the baby might be born within the month, prematurely. Ok...enough personal details...the middle ground...the one that came from Dr. Paul Domingo, you and others who would volunteer, can cover the names, like what Dr. Ramirez is doing. I trust the messages coming from Dr. Ramirez and they edit it already, no need to double check that. I mean edit what they post...without removing the essence of the messages. I was almost finished the programming for Eddy Angeles..so he can upload the messages from that side...just wondering the difference from expereince section...but maybe it would be good to have individual expereince...again...please dont rush me. Everything has its own time. I am stealing used time.You can have editor place in the site. You along with others that would like to air their views can express their expereince and opinion...i hoping it would be different from the FORUM AND EXPERIENCE section we have now. Without the original messages, how can you react or share on it, di ba? We have to let others find their truth too.When i was young, i ask Mother, why are there difference opinion amongst the Bromoki? Why do they fight when it is all in your name...Her answer is this...I gave them each piece of the pie. Remember Mother is always asking us to talk with her...to be with her...to be one with her...that includes the freedom of the glass.Sometimes, we dont want to leave her...what does she does, she pushes us out...say things we dont want...and makes us leave...then we became independent, and grown and learn or re-learn what the essence of Her teaching...because we are now ready to go to a new and higher learning...we can't stay in highschool forever. You, Maito, uncle Jim, auntie Linda, Fr. Art, Bro. Frank, auntie Paz Pedro, Tita Jing Mama Auring, Fr. Gana, sis Glo (kidapawan), Bro. Lachika (pangasinan), Raul (iloilo)...(so many list)along with others...have become a student of life, with the seal of MOTHER #01230-6-4. It will be a huge task and responsibility to edit them...not only to the physical and mental body...but we also will bare the responsibility to the Mother and the Masters we belong....you said you spoken with Bro. Frank and you spoken about the 7 Masters...wow...been a long time, since someone written or spoken about them. Truely you are from the old school. Ok...back to the middle ground...tell me what you think. You can cover the names...but not edit it. It is the essence we are looking for...but never to hurt anyone...i am with you, that we should not publish that is not worthy or did not came from Mother. The story of the bible was almost the same...i am not saying we have a new bible...but one goal of this website...that we can look back...and say..."ah yon pala yon..." if we becomes, masters for others, and telling them what is right and they dont learn from themselves...It is hard...you have a point and also they want the essence to stay...plus the history it comes.again...i offer you and other who would volunteer...to check the messages...and covering the names.my promise to Mother and to Masters...my oversoul. Respectly,Paul
On 9/11/06, Jaime Tiongson <jftiongson@gmail.com > wrote:
Dear Paul,Thank you very much for the understanding and love.. Please prepare the request of Uncle Ed. Brookside approached him several times to help upload the messages and only agreed when I talked to him about helping the website. He is already old and the whole world will benefit from his writings. I will help him on weekends on how to proceed. Please cc me on website instructions so that I can help him initially. He volunteered to edit the messages tho will compile the originals. He requested two sections, one for the messages and the second his own personal expiriences. I scheduled a meeting with Pabols Trillana , who is now the head of Brookside, through the courtesy of Brother Frank Murco (I met him this morning and he told me that he knows you and in fact you stayed in his residence in QC years back.) Endorsement from the 7 Masters will be sent to you on how to proceed with the messages. As mother will say to us,True LoveJaime
On 9/10/06, P Protiar < lhouqhann@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Jafiti,As i said , in my last letter...i will respect the wishes of the Bromoki. I would TEMPORARY remove the messages from Dr. Paul Domingo, with a sadnes, until it can be edited by you or people who has the wisdom and understanding. but there are things i would like from you and from other bromokis.Can you ask the following people...i dont think you will have a hard time convicing them...as i told you...many of them would have the same wishes as you have. lily/romy duenas, mike gana, pabol, cory/bobby ascunsion, lina villagracia, lola abraham, amor pedro, (chit pineda, but i think she is out of reach)...again i will say....they wont contradict you, i am sure of it...we just giving them the courtesy they deserve...you already have eddy angeles and lola ising. wel...not everyone understand what the message means...i guess we grown enough to understand what it truely means. a good sign.you have to find some people for this editorial board. AGAIN...i cant edit...i am not allowed...they probably can...maybe these bromoki will help you in this project. you have uncle jim, auntie linda, titus, maito, etc...ask them if they want.give me maximum a week...then i will remove those messages...it took me a long time to programm it. maybe it will be finish in two days...just give me maximum 1 week. as you can see...this website...has no financial gain. we nothing to benefit for this, but a good intention.give me a week...while i redesign it...in the meantime...kindly ask those people as well.respectfully,paul
>Dear Paul and Doc,>>Attached herewith please find letter from Tito Ed. He is the original>editor of the messages from the ouija and requested that we do the same for >all messages being posted.>>He also requested that Paul give him a space on the website so that he can>upload Mother's messages and his personal experiences (separate sections).>He does not agree with the messages currently posted at Bromoki website and >does not want to be party to it. He suggests that the messages be shown to>him before it will be posted on the website.>>Please contact him thru the email address of his daughter:> avih1010@yahoo.com>>Please create an email address for him isang@bromoki.org>>Paul, >>I suggest that you follow his recommendations. He is the original caretaker >of the records and will learn a lot from him in discerning what needs to be>posted. He has tons of materials that will keep you busy for the next>couple of months.>>--
óÅÇÏÄÎÑ ÕÄÁÞÎÙÊ ÄÅÎØ, ÞÔÏÂÙ ÚÁ×ÅÓÔÉ ÐÏÞÔÕ ÎÁ ñÎÄÅËÓÅ http://mail.yandex.ru
-- Jaime F. Tiongson -- Jaime F. Tiongson
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HTML Attachment [ Scan and Save to Computer Save to Yahoo! Briefcase ] Dear Paul,I would like to share to you and all in the list an inspiration i received this afternoon:There are several ways of communicating with the Supreme Being, the highest and the purest of them all is direct communications, the messages one receives thru earthly mediums are one of the lowest. Messages received thru direct communications with the Supreme Being are pure words of wisdom. Relaying the same messages to others here on earth without the improvement of one's own self is plain and simple lip-service. Passed-on message that a person heard from the medium is unfounded information. The highest form of spiritual message that you can impart to your fellowmen are your own words of wisdom. Inspirations from Mother, September 12, 2006 Paul,I agree with the comments below:"what we can do is to take out Mother's responses to specific personal questions." "huwag na nating ilagay yung concerning specific personalities. sabi nga ni fr. art, baka makatisod pa tayo...."Covering the names is a good start. Please send me the mechanics.As far as I am concerned, I do not believe in the purity of the messages. It has caused disunity then, and it is still causing disunity now. Already talked to Pabols, Chairman of Vivetri Foundation, he will contact you soon. He requested that I talk to Ariel Domingo (the heir of brookside and heir of the messages about the problem). Will get in touch with him soon. Bromokis wake up! Please communicate with her directly!
On 9/12/06, P Protiar < lhouqhann@yandex.ru> wrote:
Dear Jaime,I respect your drive and your sincerity. Let me give you what other Bromokis would like to express.
" As far as I am concern, it is better NOT to put the messages at all of Mother if it will be edited. I need not elaborate. What matters now is that we practice all the teachings of Mother...""... Mother's messages have meanings which are different from each person, depending on how one applies the messages to his or her life. There are messages which we thought do not mean anything but to others would mean an absolute answer to his or her difficulties. I do not agree that messages be edited. I would rather NOT include the whole message than edit the message. Nobody can edit the transcript (except of course for obvious typo errors) because the meaning might change. It will be a big job to get in touch with all the people mentioned in messages and ask each one whether it is fine with them to have the message published. But how about sorting and posting only those messages without names? Then we fail to get the essence of Mother's teachings. ...""...we all know that each of us interpret Mother's messages differently depending on the problem or the issue present at the time the message was given. the "originals" were luckier to have met Mother in the physical. they talked with her, travelled with her, ate with her, joked with her and they themselves say that Mother speak in parables. they sometimes also did not understand her. I then say that, that is Mother's enigma. I know i have read this or somebody must have said that - Whatever science cannot explain is a miracle and God's secret.
editing may somewhat change the meaning. even a change of a word, phrase, or even a punctuation mark will make a big difference. i fear editing the messages. probably what we can do is to take out Mother's responses to specific personal questions.
if i were to choose the messages, i will just have to PICK UP a message which will not antagonize other people. or those messages without mention of names. thats how we did it on our printed booklets during the Congresses in the past. huwag na nating ilagay yung concerning specific personalities. sabi nga ni fr. art, baka makatisod pa tayo...."I have other emails....with almost the same sentiments.I am really finding the middle ground. You have to believe me that i meant no harm nor praise anyone.Becuase we are all bromokis, or atleast we believe we are. As you know, i do this programming during my free time. sometimes, my wife is angry at me, becuase i spend more time with the computer at homem which i should be spending with her. Now is will have a baby soon....maybe sooner than expected. I mean the baby might be born within the month, prematurely. Ok...enough personal details...the middle ground...the one that came from Dr. Paul Domingo, you and others who would volunteer, can cover the names, like what Dr. Ramirez is doing. I trust the messages coming from Dr. Ramirez and they edit it already, no need to double check that. I mean edit what they post...without removing the essence of the messages. I was almost finished the programming for Eddy Angeles..so he can upload the messages from that side...just wondering the difference from expereince section...but maybe it would be good to have individual expereince...again...please dont rush me. Everything has its own time. I am stealing used time.You can have editor place in the site. You along with others that would like to air their views can express their expereince and opinion...i hoping it would be different from the FORUM AND EXPERIENCE section we have now. Without the original messages, how can you react or share on it, di ba? We have to let others find their truth too.When i was young, i ask Mother, why are there difference opinion amongst the Bromoki? Why do they fight when it is all in your name...Her answer is this...I gave them each piece of the pie. Remember Mother is always asking us to talk with her...to be with her...to be one with her...that includes the freedom of the glass.Sometimes, we dont want to leave her...what does she does, she pushes us out...say things we dont want...and makes us leave...then we became independent, and grown and learn or re-learn what the essence of Her teaching...because we are now ready to go to a new and higher learning...we can't stay in highschool forever. You, Maito, uncle Jim, auntie Linda, Fr. Art, Bro. Frank, auntie Paz Pedro, Tita Jing Mama Auring, Fr. Gana, sis Glo (kidapawan), Bro. Lachika (pangasinan), Raul (iloilo)...(so many list)along with others...have become a student of life, with the seal of MOTHER #01230-6-4. It will be a huge task and responsibility to edit them...not only to the physical and mental body...but we also will bare the responsibility to the Mother and the Masters we belong....you said you spoken with Bro. Frank and you spoken about the 7 Masters...wow...been a long time, since someone written or spoken about them. Truely you are from the old school. Ok...back to the middle ground...tell me what you think. You can cover the names...but not edit it. It is the essence we are looking for...but never to hurt anyone...i am with you, that we should not publish that is not worthy or did not came from Mother. The story of the bible was almost the same...i am not saying we have a new bible...but one goal of this website...that we can look back...and say..."ah yon pala yon..." if we becomes, masters for others, and telling them what is right and they dont learn from themselves...It is hard...you have a point and also they want the essence to stay...plus the history it comes.again...i offer you and other who would volunteer...to check the messages...and covering the names.my promise to Mother and to Masters...my oversoul. Respectly,Paul
On 9/11/06, Jaime Tiongson <jftiongson@gmail.com > wrote:
Dear Paul,Thank you very much for the understanding and love.. Please prepare the request of Uncle Ed. Brookside approached him several times to help upload the messages and only agreed when I talked to him about helping the website. He is already old and the whole world will benefit from his writings. I will help him on weekends on how to proceed. Please cc me on website instructions so that I can help him initially. He volunteered to edit the messages tho will compile the originals. He requested two sections, one for the messages and the second his own personal expiriences. I scheduled a meeting with Pabols Trillana , who is now the head of Brookside, through the courtesy of Brother Frank Murco (I met him this morning and he told me that he knows you and in fact you stayed in his residence in QC years back.) Endorsement from the 7 Masters will be sent to you on how to proceed with the messages. As mother will say to us,True LoveJaime
On 9/10/06, P Protiar < lhouqhann@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Jafiti,As i said , in my last letter...i will respect the wishes of the Bromoki. I would TEMPORARY remove the messages from Dr. Paul Domingo, with a sadnes, until it can be edited by you or people who has the wisdom and understanding. but there are things i would like from you and from other bromokis.Can you ask the following people...i dont think you will have a hard time convicing them...as i told you...many of them would have the same wishes as you have. lily/romy duenas, mike gana, pabol, cory/bobby ascunsion, lina villagracia, lola abraham, amor pedro, (chit pineda, but i think she is out of reach)...again i will say....they wont contradict you, i am sure of it...we just giving them the courtesy they deserve...you already have eddy angeles and lola ising. wel...not everyone understand what the message means...i guess we grown enough to understand what it truely means. a good sign.you have to find some people for this editorial board. AGAIN...i cant edit...i am not allowed...they probably can...maybe these bromoki will help you in this project. you have uncle jim, auntie linda, titus, maito, etc...ask them if they want.give me maximum a week...then i will remove those messages...it took me a long time to programm it. maybe it will be finish in two days...just give me maximum 1 week. as you can see...this website...has no financial gain. we nothing to benefit for this, but a good intention.give me a week...while i redesign it...in the meantime...kindly ask those people as well.respectfully,paul
>Dear Paul and Doc,>>Attached herewith please find letter from Tito Ed. He is the original>editor of the messages from the ouija and requested that we do the same for >all messages being posted.>>He also requested that Paul give him a space on the website so that he can>upload Mother's messages and his personal experiences (separate sections).>He does not agree with the messages currently posted at Bromoki website and >does not want to be party to it. He suggests that the messages be shown to>him before it will be posted on the website.>>Please contact him thru the email address of his daughter:> avih1010@yahoo.com>>Please create an email address for him isang@bromoki.org>>Paul, >>I suggest that you follow his recommendations. He is the original caretaker >of the records and will learn a lot from him in discerning what needs to be>posted. He has tons of materials that will keep you busy for the next>couple of months.>>--
óÅÇÏÄÎÑ ÕÄÁÞÎÙÊ ÄÅÎØ, ÞÔÏÂÙ ÚÁ×ÅÓÔÉ ÐÏÞÔÕ ÎÁ ñÎÄÅËÓÅ http://mail.yandex.ru
-- Jaime F. Tiongson
Dear Paul,I would like to share to you and all in the list an inspiration i received this afternoon:There are several ways of communicating with the Supreme Being, the highest and the purest of them all is direct communications, the messages one receives thru earthly mediums are one of the lowest. Messages received thru direct communications with the Supreme Being are pure words of wisdom. Relaying the same messages to others here on earth without the improvement of one's own self is plain and simple lip-service. Passed-on message that a person heard from the medium is unfounded information. The highest form of spiritual message that you can impart to your fellowmen are your own words of wisdom. Inspirations from Mother, September 12, 2006 Paul,I agree with the comments below:"what we can do is to take out Mother's responses to specific personal questions." "huwag na nating ilagay yung concerning specific personalities. sabi nga ni fr. art, baka makatisod pa tayo...."Covering the names is a good start. Please send me the mechanics.As far as I am concerned, I do not believe in the purity of the messages. It has caused disunity then, and it is still causing disunity now. Already talked to Pabols, Chairman of Vivetri Foundation, he will contact you soon. He requested that I talk to Ariel Domingo (the heir of brookside and heir of the messages about the problem). Will get in touch with him soon. Bromokis wake up! Please communicate with her directly!
On 9/12/06, P Protiar < lhouqhann@yandex.ru> wrote:
Dear Jaime,I respect your drive and your sincerity. Let me give you what other Bromokis would like to express.
" As far as I am concern, it is better NOT to put the messages at all of Mother if it will be edited. I need not elaborate. What matters now is that we practice all the teachings of Mother...""... Mother's messages have meanings which are different from each person, depending on how one applies the messages to his or her life. There are messages which we thought do not mean anything but to others would mean an absolute answer to his or her difficulties. I do not agree that messages be edited. I would rather NOT include the whole message than edit the message. Nobody can edit the transcript (except of course for obvious typo errors) because the meaning might change. It will be a big job to get in touch with all the people mentioned in messages and ask each one whether it is fine with them to have the message published. But how about sorting and posting only those messages without names? Then we fail to get the essence of Mother's teachings. ...""...we all know that each of us interpret Mother's messages differently depending on the problem or the issue present at the time the message was given. the "originals" were luckier to have met Mother in the physical. they talked with her, travelled with her, ate with her, joked with her and they themselves say that Mother speak in parables. they sometimes also did not understand her. I then say that, that is Mother's enigma. I know i have read this or somebody must have said that - Whatever science cannot explain is a miracle and God's secret.
editing may somewhat change the meaning. even a change of a word, phrase, or even a punctuation mark will make a big difference. i fear editing the messages. probably what we can do is to take out Mother's responses to specific personal questions.
if i were to choose the messages, i will just have to PICK UP a message which will not antagonize other people. or those messages without mention of names. thats how we did it on our printed booklets during the Congresses in the past. huwag na nating ilagay yung concerning specific personalities. sabi nga ni fr. art, baka makatisod pa tayo...."I have other emails....with almost the same sentiments.I am really finding the middle ground. You have to believe me that i meant no harm nor praise anyone.Becuase we are all bromokis, or atleast we believe we are. As you know, i do this programming during my free time. sometimes, my wife is angry at me, becuase i spend more time with the computer at homem which i should be spending with her. Now is will have a baby soon....maybe sooner than expected. I mean the baby might be born within the month, prematurely. Ok...enough personal details...the middle ground...the one that came from Dr. Paul Domingo, you and others who would volunteer, can cover the names, like what Dr. Ramirez is doing. I trust the messages coming from Dr. Ramirez and they edit it already, no need to double check that. I mean edit what they post...without removing the essence of the messages. I was almost finished the programming for Eddy Angeles..so he can upload the messages from that side...just wondering the difference from expereince section...but maybe it would be good to have individual expereince...again...please dont rush me. Everything has its own time. I am stealing used time.You can have editor place in the site. You along with others that would like to air their views can express their expereince and opinion...i hoping it would be different from the FORUM AND EXPERIENCE section we have now. Without the original messages, how can you react or share on it, di ba? We have to let others find their truth too.When i was young, i ask Mother, why are there difference opinion amongst the Bromoki? Why do they fight when it is all in your name...Her answer is this...I gave them each piece of the pie. Remember Mother is always asking us to talk with her...to be with her...to be one with her...that includes the freedom of the glass.Sometimes, we dont want to leave her...what does she does, she pushes us out...say things we dont want...and makes us leave...then we became independent, and grown and learn or re-learn what the essence of Her teaching...because we are now ready to go to a new and higher learning...we can't stay in highschool forever. You, Maito, uncle Jim, auntie Linda, Fr. Art, Bro. Frank, auntie Paz Pedro, Tita Jing Mama Auring, Fr. Gana, sis Glo (kidapawan), Bro. Lachika (pangasinan), Raul (iloilo)...(so many list)along with others...have become a student of life, with the seal of MOTHER #01230-6-4. It will be a huge task and responsibility to edit them...not only to the physical and mental body...but we also will bare the responsibility to the Mother and the Masters we belong....you said you spoken with Bro. Frank and you spoken about the 7 Masters...wow...been a long time, since someone written or spoken about them. Truely you are from the old school. Ok...back to the middle ground...tell me what you think. You can cover the names...but not edit it. It is the essence we are looking for...but never to hurt anyone...i am with you, that we should not publish that is not worthy or did not came from Mother. The story of the bible was almost the same...i am not saying we have a new bible...but one goal of this website...that we can look back...and say..."ah yon pala yon..." if we becomes, masters for others, and telling them what is right and they dont learn from themselves...It is hard...you have a point and also they want the essence to stay...plus the history it comes.again...i offer you and other who would volunteer...to check the messages...and covering the names.my promise to Mother and to Masters...my oversoul. Respectly,Paul
On 9/11/06, Jaime Tiongson <jftiongson@gmail.com > wrote:
Dear Paul,Thank you very much for the understanding and love.. Please prepare the request of Uncle Ed. Brookside approached him several times to help upload the messages and only agreed when I talked to him about helping the website. He is already old and the whole world will benefit from his writings. I will help him on weekends on how to proceed. Please cc me on website instructions so that I can help him initially. He volunteered to edit the messages tho will compile the originals. He requested two sections, one for the messages and the second his own personal expiriences. I scheduled a meeting with Pabols Trillana , who is now the head of Brookside, through the courtesy of Brother Frank Murco (I met him this morning and he told me that he knows you and in fact you stayed in his residence in QC years back.) Endorsement from the 7 Masters will be sent to you on how to proceed with the messages. As mother will say to us,True LoveJaime
On 9/10/06, P Protiar < lhouqhann@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Jafiti,As i said , in my last letter...i will respect the wishes of the Bromoki. I would TEMPORARY remove the messages from Dr. Paul Domingo, with a sadnes, until it can be edited by you or people who has the wisdom and understanding. but there are things i would like from you and from other bromokis.Can you ask the following people...i dont think you will have a hard time convicing them...as i told you...many of them would have the same wishes as you have. lily/romy duenas, mike gana, pabol, cory/bobby ascunsion, lina villagracia, lola abraham, amor pedro, (chit pineda, but i think she is out of reach)...again i will say....they wont contradict you, i am sure of it...we just giving them the courtesy they deserve...you already have eddy angeles and lola ising. wel...not everyone understand what the message means...i guess we grown enough to understand what it truely means. a good sign.you have to find some people for this editorial board. AGAIN...i cant edit...i am not allowed...they probably can...maybe these bromoki will help you in this project. you have uncle jim, auntie linda, titus, maito, etc...ask them if they want.give me maximum a week...then i will remove those messages...it took me a long time to programm it. maybe it will be finish in two days...just give me maximum 1 week. as you can see...this website...has no financial gain. we nothing to benefit for this, but a good intention.give me a week...while i redesign it...in the meantime...kindly ask those people as well.respectfully,paul
>Dear Paul and Doc,>>Attached herewith please find letter from Tito Ed. He is the original>editor of the messages from the ouija and requested that we do the same for >all messages being posted.>>He also requested that Paul give him a space on the website so that he can>upload Mother's messages and his personal experiences (separate sections).>He does not agree with the messages currently posted at Bromoki website and >does not want to be party to it. He suggests that the messages be shown to>him before it will be posted on the website.>>Please contact him thru the email address of his daughter:> avih1010@yahoo.com>>Please create an email address for him isang@bromoki.org>>Paul, >>I suggest that you follow his recommendations. He is the original caretaker >of the records and will learn a lot from him in discerning what needs to be>posted. He has tons of materials that will keep you busy for the next>couple of months.>>--
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-- Jaime F. Tiongson -- Jaime F. Tiongson
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Date:
Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:15:40 +0800
From:
"Jaime Tiongson"
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"P Protiar"
Subject:
The middle ground and beyond.
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"Mario Figueroa"
HTML Attachment [ Scan and Save to Computer Save to Yahoo! Briefcase ] Dear Paul,I would like to share to you and all in the list an inspiration i received this afternoon:There are several ways of communicating with the Supreme Being, the highest and the purest of them all is direct communications, the messages one receives thru earthly mediums are one of the lowest. Messages received thru direct communications with the Supreme Being are pure words of wisdom. Relaying the same messages to others here on earth without the improvement of one's own self is plain and simple lip-service. Passed-on message that a person heard from the medium is unfounded information. The highest form of spiritual message that you can impart to your fellowmen are your own words of wisdom. Inspirations from Mother, September 12, 2006 Paul,I agree with the comments below:"what we can do is to take out Mother's responses to specific personal questions." "huwag na nating ilagay yung concerning specific personalities. sabi nga ni fr. art, baka makatisod pa tayo...."Covering the names is a good start. Please send me the mechanics.As far as I am concerned, I do not believe in the purity of the messages. It has caused disunity then, and it is still causing disunity now. Already talked to Pabols, Chairman of Vivetri Foundation, he will contact you soon. He requested that I talk to Ariel Domingo (the heir of brookside and heir of the messages about the problem). Will get in touch with him soon. Bromokis wake up! Please communicate with her directly!
On 9/12/06, P Protiar < lhouqhann@yandex.ru> wrote:
Dear Jaime,I respect your drive and your sincerity. Let me give you what other Bromokis would like to express.
" As far as I am concern, it is better NOT to put the messages at all of Mother if it will be edited. I need not elaborate. What matters now is that we practice all the teachings of Mother...""... Mother's messages have meanings which are different from each person, depending on how one applies the messages to his or her life. There are messages which we thought do not mean anything but to others would mean an absolute answer to his or her difficulties. I do not agree that messages be edited. I would rather NOT include the whole message than edit the message. Nobody can edit the transcript (except of course for obvious typo errors) because the meaning might change. It will be a big job to get in touch with all the people mentioned in messages and ask each one whether it is fine with them to have the message published. But how about sorting and posting only those messages without names? Then we fail to get the essence of Mother's teachings. ...""...we all know that each of us interpret Mother's messages differently depending on the problem or the issue present at the time the message was given. the "originals" were luckier to have met Mother in the physical. they talked with her, travelled with her, ate with her, joked with her and they themselves say that Mother speak in parables. they sometimes also did not understand her. I then say that, that is Mother's enigma. I know i have read this or somebody must have said that - Whatever science cannot explain is a miracle and God's secret.
editing may somewhat change the meaning. even a change of a word, phrase, or even a punctuation mark will make a big difference. i fear editing the messages. probably what we can do is to take out Mother's responses to specific personal questions.
if i were to choose the messages, i will just have to PICK UP a message which will not antagonize other people. or those messages without mention of names. thats how we did it on our printed booklets during the Congresses in the past. huwag na nating ilagay yung concerning specific personalities. sabi nga ni fr. art, baka makatisod pa tayo...."I have other emails....with almost the same sentiments.I am really finding the middle ground. You have to believe me that i meant no harm nor praise anyone.Becuase we are all bromokis, or atleast we believe we are. As you know, i do this programming during my free time. sometimes, my wife is angry at me, becuase i spend more time with the computer at homem which i should be spending with her. Now is will have a baby soon....maybe sooner than expected. I mean the baby might be born within the month, prematurely. Ok...enough personal details...the middle ground...the one that came from Dr. Paul Domingo, you and others who would volunteer, can cover the names, like what Dr. Ramirez is doing. I trust the messages coming from Dr. Ramirez and they edit it already, no need to double check that. I mean edit what they post...without removing the essence of the messages. I was almost finished the programming for Eddy Angeles..so he can upload the messages from that side...just wondering the difference from expereince section...but maybe it would be good to have individual expereince...again...please dont rush me. Everything has its own time. I am stealing used time.You can have editor place in the site. You along with others that would like to air their views can express their expereince and opinion...i hoping it would be different from the FORUM AND EXPERIENCE section we have now. Without the original messages, how can you react or share on it, di ba? We have to let others find their truth too.When i was young, i ask Mother, why are there difference opinion amongst the Bromoki? Why do they fight when it is all in your name...Her answer is this...I gave them each piece of the pie. Remember Mother is always asking us to talk with her...to be with her...to be one with her...that includes the freedom of the glass.Sometimes, we dont want to leave her...what does she does, she pushes us out...say things we dont want...and makes us leave...then we became independent, and grown and learn or re-learn what the essence of Her teaching...because we are now ready to go to a new and higher learning...we can't stay in highschool forever. You, Maito, uncle Jim, auntie Linda, Fr. Art, Bro. Frank, auntie Paz Pedro, Tita Jing Mama Auring, Fr. Gana, sis Glo (kidapawan), Bro. Lachika (pangasinan), Raul (iloilo)...(so many list)along with others...have become a student of life, with the seal of MOTHER #01230-6-4. It will be a huge task and responsibility to edit them...not only to the physical and mental body...but we also will bare the responsibility to the Mother and the Masters we belong....you said you spoken with Bro. Frank and you spoken about the 7 Masters...wow...been a long time, since someone written or spoken about them. Truely you are from the old school. Ok...back to the middle ground...tell me what you think. You can cover the names...but not edit it. It is the essence we are looking for...but never to hurt anyone...i am with you, that we should not publish that is not worthy or did not came from Mother. The story of the bible was almost the same...i am not saying we have a new bible...but one goal of this website...that we can look back...and say..."ah yon pala yon..." if we becomes, masters for others, and telling them what is right and they dont learn from themselves...It is hard...you have a point and also they want the essence to stay...plus the history it comes.again...i offer you and other who would volunteer...to check the messages...and covering the names.my promise to Mother and to Masters...my oversoul. Respectly,Paul
On 9/11/06, Jaime Tiongson <jftiongson@gmail.com > wrote:
Dear Paul,Thank you very much for the understanding and love.. Please prepare the request of Uncle Ed. Brookside approached him several times to help upload the messages and only agreed when I talked to him about helping the website. He is already old and the whole world will benefit from his writings. I will help him on weekends on how to proceed. Please cc me on website instructions so that I can help him initially. He volunteered to edit the messages tho will compile the originals. He requested two sections, one for the messages and the second his own personal expiriences. I scheduled a meeting with Pabols Trillana , who is now the head of Brookside, through the courtesy of Brother Frank Murco (I met him this morning and he told me that he knows you and in fact you stayed in his residence in QC years back.) Endorsement from the 7 Masters will be sent to you on how to proceed with the messages. As mother will say to us,True LoveJaime
On 9/10/06, P Protiar < lhouqhann@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Jafiti,As i said , in my last letter...i will respect the wishes of the Bromoki. I would TEMPORARY remove the messages from Dr. Paul Domingo, with a sadnes, until it can be edited by you or people who has the wisdom and understanding. but there are things i would like from you and from other bromokis.Can you ask the following people...i dont think you will have a hard time convicing them...as i told you...many of them would have the same wishes as you have. lily/romy duenas, mike gana, pabol, cory/bobby ascunsion, lina villagracia, lola abraham, amor pedro, (chit pineda, but i think she is out of reach)...again i will say....they wont contradict you, i am sure of it...we just giving them the courtesy they deserve...you already have eddy angeles and lola ising. wel...not everyone understand what the message means...i guess we grown enough to understand what it truely means. a good sign.you have to find some people for this editorial board. AGAIN...i cant edit...i am not allowed...they probably can...maybe these bromoki will help you in this project. you have uncle jim, auntie linda, titus, maito, etc...ask them if they want.give me maximum a week...then i will remove those messages...it took me a long time to programm it. maybe it will be finish in two days...just give me maximum 1 week. as you can see...this website...has no financial gain. we nothing to benefit for this, but a good intention.give me a week...while i redesign it...in the meantime...kindly ask those people as well.respectfully,paul
>Dear Paul and Doc,>>Attached herewith please find letter from Tito Ed. He is the original>editor of the messages from the ouija and requested that we do the same for >all messages being posted.>>He also requested that Paul give him a space on the website so that he can>upload Mother's messages and his personal experiences (separate sections).>He does not agree with the messages currently posted at Bromoki website and >does not want to be party to it. He suggests that the messages be shown to>him before it will be posted on the website.>>Please contact him thru the email address of his daughter:> avih1010@yahoo.com>>Please create an email address for him isang@bromoki.org>>Paul, >>I suggest that you follow his recommendations. He is the original caretaker >of the records and will learn a lot from him in discerning what needs to be>posted. He has tons of materials that will keep you busy for the next>couple of months.>>--
óÅÇÏÄÎÑ ÕÄÁÞÎÙÊ ÄÅÎØ, ÞÔÏÂÙ ÚÁ×ÅÓÔÉ ÐÏÞÔÕ ÎÁ ñÎÄÅËÓÅ http://mail.yandex.ru
-- Jaime F. Tiongson
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